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i mean we've been able to switch and have full conversations since week 1 or so

Talking is indeed the best way. Presence imposition is just another form of forcing passively.

1:35 PM

I just recommend it because it puts your tulpa in a situation where they are existing in the meatspace, which contributes to the feeling of them being mentally present

1:36 PM

It’s like talking face-to-face rather than calling.

we dont really think we need that

Well, as I said, it’s entirely optional. You shouldn’t feel obligated to do it

1:37 PM

Take it as you will

1:38 PM

If you want to start imposition that early, it’s entirely up to you. It’s nowhere near the complexity of visual imposition (shocker), but it’ll provide a nice buffer for when you eventually get to that point

oh i know, i used to have a stub of a tulpa in 2015 that formed in 2 days and it didnt speak, i only had the feeling of presence of it being behind me

1:39 PM

i got spooked and forgot about it

That’s great! It means you already know what that feels like.

i can imagine it at will and i feel it, but it doesnt really add anything imo

Well, you still have that tucked under your belt, and have the choice to incorporate it into regular forcing practices

1:41 PM

I say it’s all up to you what you want to do with it.

i only really "forced" for a couple of days, and after that its been just naturally talking to each other, i dont really consider it any practice anymore

1:42 PM

its just daily life now

That's the best form of forcing

I agree, but don’t skimp out on ‘active’ forcing. It’ll help you out in the long run

1:44 PM

Try to get yourself to do it once every few weeks just to serve as a refresher to the process

same

aapeli 🟣 ↩️

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For us, we’ve been doing it for years and we use imposition very frequently (mostly presence and touch imposition) as well as talking to each other for hours on end

Jeanine 🌹Rose Group🌹 3(🏝)0

For us, we’ve been doing it for years and we use imposition very frequently (mostly presence and touch imposition) as well as talking to each other for hours on end

How far back do you go?

The feeling of someone leaning against your shoulders while you’re writing notes or the feeling of someone holding your hand are pretty much a staple in our daily lives

Jeanine 🌹Rose Group🌹 3(🏝)0 ↩️

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I had to use touch imposition from the beginning to get a minimum of attention from host and it's still a pain to get even with that

4 years

ringgggg ↩️

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1:46 PM

Almost

we have no imposition except for presence

1:47 PM

Kira wanted to do touch but we never got it.

We have presence and touch imposition (albeit weak) but no visualization whatsoever

she would randomly throw marshmallows at me

That’s interesting

Tohru ↩️

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what is touch imposition?

Ive had touch once or twice but no visual. a lot of presence too

1:50 PM

and yes ill go back to sleep

Interesting but not fun ^^° It is because host has all sense aphantasia

ABANDONED ACCOUNT

what is touch imposition?

I like to call it a simulation of stimulation for funsies.

what is touch imposition?

@ABANDONED ACCOUNT - jump With touch imposition i can hug host and also warm her up during winter for example

ohhh i like that.

ringgggg ↩️

Reply to: I like to call it a simulation of stimulation for funsies.

oh.

Yeah, it’s so weird how some people have high visualisation naturally while others just don’t have it at all

Tohru ↩️

Reply to: Interesting but not fun ^^° It is because host has all sense aphantasia

so what is visual then?

1:51 PM

where my tulpa can see me?

Hallucinations at will

1:52 PM

Arguably the most complex stage of tulpamancy

visual imposition is when you can see your tulpa over real vision. Hallucinations sort of

ooh

1:52 PM

i only saw my tulpa with my eyes closed

That’s visualizing within the mind’s eye

Yeah, it’s so weird how some people have high visualisation naturally while others just don’t have it at all

@Jeanine

Rose Group

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)0 - jump Most interesting is how the brain works around it

We visualise with our eyes open more often than we do closed eye visualisation

i have hallucinations (auditory and small visual hallucinations) but my hallucinations aren't very strong the only times they were really strong was when i saw zarya in my room those two times

i find visualization at will very hard but can do very mild prophantasia super easily with my eyes open

but i don't know if itll be strong enough to see my tulpa

I got to make my host visualize 2-3 things over the last 10 y or so so not so great

Presence imposition and visualization go hand-in-hand, considering the fact that you need to be able to figure out which part of your tulpa is which in the realm of meatspace

I wouldn't say that

From our original’s pretty intense daydreaming when they were little, we’re pretty good at imposition and visualisation as they created those feelings when interacting with their daydream world, and we’ve been able to incorporate that into our interactions, how we do it feels more natural than what our original used to do (edited)

My A3’s missing arm has to be visualized in relativity to the rest of her body because I’m so used to picturing her with two

2:00 PM

As an example of how visualization works in tandem with the process

I consider them separate things because imposition doesn't require my host to do anything while visualization would

I’ll just use the “tulpamancy is different for everyone” excuse to get out of this one

That’s fair enough

Tohru ↩️

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What even is active forcing anymore

ok im actually going to sleep fr now bye everyone

Forcing is such a weird thing to call it for us

gn

Sleep tight, Dev

he better

We just consider it interacting

2:07 PM

Night Devin

2:07 PM

For reals

mhm bye

I complain about the term being used as a blanket statement and not having any definable traits other than “focusing all your attention on your tulpa” and junk

https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/598307250087526481/1110432233866661959 @KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk @Yuka This is a thread you guys may be interested in

5:04 AM

I know you don't have aphantasia Yuka but you know the Aphantasia Meow server better than I do

5:06 AM

@Twilibri You guys too (For a second I was wondering if you guys were the OP)

We're not good with forums. We both prefer instant feedback. I'm not sure if it experience would be useful but I feel like I should answer just to confirm it's doable

nods

i’m also not good with forums. I don’t see why tulpamancy with aphantasia would be impossible. good visualisation might have similar advantage as for any other activity, but it’s far from being the core of tulpamancy or any form of plurality as i understand it

12:07 PM

maybe that’s why i like discord with pfps so much - i would imagine you get the benefits of it as you get with visualisation

Would agree that visualization is less the only way possible now than at the time we started. But I understand the difficulties and maybe the lack of experience sharing from other aphantasiac. Host has always been a shy one on that front.

at this point i think that at least for me aphantasia is a defense mechanism. for example, i am much calmer than the rest as i have very strong amnesia barriers and i have higher visualisation skills than the rest (when whole life we had complete aphantasia) and have had since i first appeared. we did a course of aphantasiameow before that though and we had major breakthroughs with it, and i think the breakthrough happened because of how calming and relaxing Alec is. Unfortunately without training it faded away, but with other things i was working on on therapy i was getting more of it. Interestingly I have experienced very vivid flashbacks that came up with healing (it felt like there and then - it wasn’t limited just to visuals but all aspects of the mind and being, memory etc) and after releasing some of it i had more vivid visualisation for a time

12:15 PM

in stressful time for us the visualisation skills definitely drop

Hmmm I can understand that it could be seen as a defense mechanism. I don't feel like it is the case for me. Because as far as I remember I never experienced visualization ever before tulpamancy. I'd consider it more like a skill that wasn't developed because my thought process didn't require visuals or any other sense to function.

12:23 PM

It still feel like I had progress albeit slow and weak on that front with Tohru's help. I recall a few events of visuals I could visualize in the last 10y but it's very rare.

how did tohru help you?

With something like image streaming. There were a few events where I couldn't picture what I wanted but Tohru could and "show" me. I find it a bit hard to describe.

12:27 PM

Just for the context I'm aphantasiac of all senses. I prefer to write it because I often got the reaction that it's only for visuals.

is she calmer than you in general? Does her presence make you calm?

Yeah. That's why I can relate when you talk about being calm.

12:29 PM

I'm usually of messy ball of stress and anxiety at all times ^^°

12:32 PM

I admit it's been long since I practiced visualization more. I got used to the "feeling" of my "visualization" even if it has no visual / sound / texture I can still make sense of the atmosphere, the location, what is happening, the emotions. It feels sufficient to make stories even if it has no details. (edited)

if something is easier achieved when calm, it’s hard for me to agree that it seems like an undeveloped skill

12:50 PM

i’m glad tohru is able to help you in that way!

12:51 PM

i do resonate with what you say about “feeling” - i think that’s what’s more important than just visualisation in the tulpa creation

12:55 PM

a lot of people wre able to visualise their tulpas but don’t get far with it

12:55 PM

because i think they are missing the point, which is not their fault

I can understand your reasoning. Even when I'm calm I never had conclusive success with visualization. It never goes past the "feeling of presence" state. I often feel that the details are right behind a veil but never had the opportunity to break through it. My rare occurrences when I had visuals I wasn't even calm in a sense. I was more like distracted and receptive to "flashes" of pictures for a mere instant. I'm glad I could get better at distinguishing these "feeling" over the years.

1:00 PM

I feel like it's kind of like understanding raw thoughts as opposed to visualization which would look like translating them with the senses.